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        Pieter-Jan Plaisier added a comment -
        Spend this weekend talking through this idea with Kingpin and other folks related to overclocking. This is what I think the first season should look like:

        Start: 01/01 4PM GMT+0
        End: 31/03 4PM GMT+0

        5 stages:

        - (AMD Trinity) IGP 3DMark Vantage
        - (4Way) 3DMark8 Full-Out
        - Geekbench / PCmark full-out
        - Single GPU Heaven DX11
        - SuperPI 32M sub-50$ locked CPU

        Cut-off:

        01/03: only 20 teams can continue
        07/03: only 15 teams can continue
        14/03: only 10 ...
        21/03: only 5 ...

        We keep the stages as open as possible hardware-wise, but make sure it's not a one-cpu-one-platform kind of competition like Pro OC is right now. Hardware has to be retail and available at the beginning of the competition (so no Haswell). As discussed - only Pro OC can compete. It's kind of like the F1OC , I guess.

        Alongside the Pro OC Season we can host another Team Cup which has similar limitations, but just with old hardware. The Team Cup does not replace the Overclockers League, it's just a competition.

        We should also think about including a MFC ranking based on the submissions (~ MFC ranking in F1) and exclude the names/logos of the companies that aren't competing.
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        Pieter-Jan Plaisier added a comment - Spend this weekend talking through this idea with Kingpin and other folks related to overclocking. This is what I think the first season should look like: Start: 01/01 4PM GMT+0 End: 31/03 4PM GMT+0 5 stages: - (AMD Trinity) IGP 3DMark Vantage - (4Way) 3DMark8 Full-Out - Geekbench / PCmark full-out - Single GPU Heaven DX11 - SuperPI 32M sub-50$ locked CPU Cut-off: 01/03: only 20 teams can continue 07/03: only 15 teams can continue 14/03: only 10 ... 21/03: only 5 ... We keep the stages as open as possible hardware-wise, but make sure it's not a one-cpu-one-platform kind of competition like Pro OC is right now. Hardware has to be retail and available at the beginning of the competition (so no Haswell). As discussed - only Pro OC can compete. It's kind of like the F1OC , I guess. Alongside the Pro OC Season we can host another Team Cup which has similar limitations, but just with old hardware. The Team Cup does not replace the Overclockers League, it's just a competition. We should also think about including a MFC ranking based on the submissions (~ MFC ranking in F1) and exclude the names/logos of the companies that aren't competing.
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        Pieter-Jan Plaisier added a comment -
        Had a conversation with Tim Handley from Gigabyte about this competition. He (and some of his team members) brought up a couple of interesting points.

        1) CHEATING.

        Since this is (another) online competition, the biggest problem will be cheating. I think wrappers can solve that problem, but I'm not sure if all will be done by Jan 1. Any suggestions?

        2) HARDWARE SHARING.

        Another big problem might be hardware sharing. Let's say Hicookie finds a 7.5G cpu, Gigabyte might want to send him to the teams they support (or fly them in HQ) to all bench this one chip. Of course we would suspect something, but it would not be possible to be certain. No certainty = hard to ban, the same problem like we have now.

        Suggestion:

        All teams have to use a different platform to compete. If someone already submitted a result with a platform, all other results with that platform become invalidated.

        Example: SuperPI 32M Ivy Bridge

        (CT = Competition Team)

        - CT1 submits with 3770K and Asus motherboard, 400sec
        - CT2 submits with 3770K and Gigabyte motherboard, 500sec
        - CT3 submits with 3770K and Evga motherboard, 600sec

        - CT4 wants to submit with 3770K and Asus motherboard => score will not be counting for the ranking because someone already submitted with 3770K/ASUS, so CT4 will need to use a different platform (eg: 3570K and Asus).
        - CT5 wants to submit with 3770K and Asus motherboard, but has 300sec => score will count for the ranking and will render the score of CT1 invalid.

        This way, no company will ever be able to dominate the competition through hardware sharing. If they have a great CPU, they will have to pick the team they think is best to use the CPU. If we would set platform is 'CPU', then we'd see nice battles with some more mainstream CPUs I think.

        3) MFC RANKING.

        They really liked the idea of a vendor ranking similar to the F1 constructors ranking. Need further brainstorming on how to implement that kind ranking

        4) EXPOSURE.

        Need to brainstorm on how to give hwbot partners additional exposure for the competition. Options are: logos, sponsorship tiles on competition team pages, etc.
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        Pieter-Jan Plaisier added a comment - Had a conversation with Tim Handley from Gigabyte about this competition. He (and some of his team members) brought up a couple of interesting points. 1) CHEATING. Since this is (another) online competition, the biggest problem will be cheating. I think wrappers can solve that problem, but I'm not sure if all will be done by Jan 1. Any suggestions? 2) HARDWARE SHARING. Another big problem might be hardware sharing. Let's say Hicookie finds a 7.5G cpu, Gigabyte might want to send him to the teams they support (or fly them in HQ) to all bench this one chip. Of course we would suspect something, but it would not be possible to be certain. No certainty = hard to ban, the same problem like we have now. Suggestion: All teams have to use a different platform to compete. If someone already submitted a result with a platform, all other results with that platform become invalidated. Example: SuperPI 32M Ivy Bridge (CT = Competition Team) - CT1 submits with 3770K and Asus motherboard, 400sec - CT2 submits with 3770K and Gigabyte motherboard, 500sec - CT3 submits with 3770K and Evga motherboard, 600sec - CT4 wants to submit with 3770K and Asus motherboard => score will not be counting for the ranking because someone already submitted with 3770K/ASUS, so CT4 will need to use a different platform (eg: 3570K and Asus). - CT5 wants to submit with 3770K and Asus motherboard, but has 300sec => score will count for the ranking and will render the score of CT1 invalid. This way, no company will ever be able to dominate the competition through hardware sharing. If they have a great CPU, they will have to pick the team they think is best to use the CPU. If we would set platform is 'CPU', then we'd see nice battles with some more mainstream CPUs I think. 3) MFC RANKING. They really liked the idea of a vendor ranking similar to the F1 constructors ranking. Need further brainstorming on how to implement that kind ranking 4) EXPOSURE. Need to brainstorm on how to give hwbot partners additional exposure for the competition. Options are: logos, sponsorship tiles on competition team pages, etc.

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            Frederik Colardyn
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            Frederik Colardyn
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